First, to be clear, my belief is that not all ENGOs are created equal. I want to be clear that I and my membership have the highest respect for the Canadian Whale Institute and the Canadian Wildlife Federation. They are two groups that I believe have really moved the dial on the conservation of whales in Canadian waters. They've made it possible for people like me to take that message to fish harvesters. They know that their views are respected. They know that groups like these care about the interests of fishermen.
It's important to note that I'm not meaning to disparage environmental non-government organizations. The successes we've enjoyed in conservation in Canada are largely thanks to them. I want to point out that they come in different forms, and some of them are more interested in their own operations and self-preservation than better outcomes for whales.