It's important for the committee to understand that there's a fundamental difference in the relationship between Canadian fishermen and Canadian conservation groups compared with the relationship between American fishermen and American conservation groups in that there has been a much more oppositional approach. Some people in the U.S. would like to attribute that to fishermen, but I think it needs to be attributed to groups like the International Fund for Animal Welfare, which has taken an incredibly aggressive approach towards fishermen, including suing individual American fishermen who are attempting to collaborate on conservation.
I think that's what has led to some of that animosity, and there are misrepresentations about what's taking place in Canada by all the stakeholders in the U.S. I wouldn't just attribute it to the veracity of science; I think it's more related to politics.