Evidence of meeting #112 for International Trade in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was united.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Aaron Fowler  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Mary-Catherine Speirs  Director General, North American Trade Policy and Negotiations Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Matthew Smith  Chief Agriculture Negotiator, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Rob Stewart  Deputy Minister, International Trade, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

I'd like to commend my colleague from Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, who highlighted the Bloc Québécois's work in defending supply management. I like it when he tells me about hamburgers or food. I'd rather he talk to me about that than fecal matter. Let's get back to the matter at hand, though.

I'm very concerned about the import of products made using forced or compulsory labour, which is normally prohibited under article 23.6 of the Canada‑United States‑Mexico Agreement. Further to a question on the Order Paper from my colleague the member for Saint‑Hyacinthe—Bagot, we learned that nothing has been done to seize prohibited goods in Canada, apart from an initial decision to prohibit the entry of such goods into Canada, which was subsequently overturned. Yet the United States is accounting for billions of dollars of goods seized from the Xinjiang region of China alone.

What requirements will you be applying to ensure that Canada effectively complies with this import ban?

4:55 p.m.

Rob Stewart Deputy Minister, International Trade, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

You should put that question to the Canada Border Services Agency. It could tell you about the methodology and legislation that govern its activities.

What I can say is that we're not as well equipped as the United States; we don't have the same authority to intervene and seize assets that could be—

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

What's missing? Is it money, resources, structure, vision or leadership?

4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, International Trade, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Rob Stewart

The laws would have to be reviewed, and we're currently working on that.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Okay.

Mr. Stewart, organizations have told us that Canada is a gateway for such goods, particularly solar panels. That's a serious assertion. Have you heard that? If so, what have you done to shed light on the situation and to prevent it from happening again?

June 13th, 2024 / 4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, International Trade, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Rob Stewart

We try to make it clear to Canadian companies that in some parts of the world, there is a high risk they will use—

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Okay.

You said that the act should be reviewed. In the March 2023 budget, the government announced its intention to introduce legislation by 2024 to eliminate forced labour in Canadian supply chains and to strengthen the import ban on goods produced by forced labour. At the end of the last session, the committee adopted a motion to that effect and sent a letter to the minister reminding her of her government's commitment.

It's now June 2024. Where do things stand in that respect?

4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, International Trade, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Rob Stewart

As I mentioned, the work is ongoing.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

What's your timeline?

4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, International Trade, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Rob Stewart

I can't answer that question for the government.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Can you get back to us in writing and give us a detailed plan? People need reassurance.

4:55 p.m.

Deputy Minister, International Trade, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Rob Stewart

I can probably give you more details in terms of—

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Transparency and trust in our institutions are important, especially in these turbulent times of foreign interference.

Mr. Fowler, in fall 2023, you stated that it was too early to submit proposals to review the Canada‑United States‑Mexico Agreement, that the review had not really been defined and that the ministers had had a very preliminary discussion. Yet Colin Robertson, the vice-president of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute and a former trade negotiator, said that while Canada doesn't know what will happen in 2026, it needs to prepare for it now by setting up a task force.

Do you still believe that it's not yet time to do so? Have proposals, strategies and priorities been established as of today?

4:55 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

Thank you for the question.

It's still too early to present future Canadian proposals, which will be tabled in the 2026 review. The work is certainly under way and we're continuing our assessment of the implementation of the Canada‑United States‑Mexico Agreement, to ensure that it does what the parties intended.

That said, I won't speak publicly about the proposals Canada is going to make. Canada's priority is to ensure that the access to the American and Mexican markets guaranteed by the agreement will continue. There's no need to wait until 2026 to address the problems that may arise in implementing the agreement. We always work very closely with our North American partners and the Canadian industrial community to put the required measures in place, if necessary. Right now, we have other mechanisms.

5 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

I just want to know why it's too early. According to a credible person, Colin Robertson, it's not too early, but according to you, it is. Why would that person say something that's not true?

5 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I can't speak for Mr. Robertson. I'm giving you my opinion—

5 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Why?

5 p.m.

Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

—as the current negotiator for the Government of Canada.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Mr. Fowler.

5 p.m.

Bloc

Maxime Blanchette-Joncas Bloc Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

I'm not reassured.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Mr. Cannings is next.

It looks like we've lost the connection, or else he has left.

I'll go on to Mr. Kmiec.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

I'm almost ready.

Thank you, Madam Chair. I wasn't expecting to go this early.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

I'm sorry.

5 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

Since Mr. Cannings is off, it gives me an opportunity to move a motion that was put on notice by my colleague Mr. Seeback on Tuesday, June 11. Maybe Mr. Cannings will make it before we have to vote.

I'll read the motion into the record:

That, given the large workload the committee has on the docket, the committee instruct the chair to book five meetings between July 8 and September 13, to deal with unfinished business and pressing matters facing Canadians, such as the impact of the government's cap-and-trade system, EV plant fabrication using offshore steel and other pressing matters as they emerge.

I won't prolong the debate too much. I'll even offer to come here after the Stampede, if you need me to substitute for one of our members on this side, because I'd be especially interested in talking about EV plant fabrication using offshore steel. I have fabricators in my riding who would be affected. They were working on the TMX pipeline for many years. They all were at risk of losing their jobs when Kinder Morgan gave up on the pipeline when this government decided to basically expropriate through regulation and make it really difficult to build it.

There's a report by the PBO that says that the three companies that have received federal government monies will receive $43.6 billion in total from the taxpayer. I really wonder how much of that will be going to Canadians to build those plants and to ensure that Canadian taxpayer dollars go to them. That would be worthy of study over the summer to understand how many of those jobs are affected by it. There are also all of the government's different environmental regulations that have trade impact.

I was also surprised to note that when the minister was here, there was a claim that somehow national security was not connected to trade. But they're very much integral. The USTR, the trade representative, for the past however many years, whenever you go on the White House website, will link the two closely together. Section 232 tariffs feature very prominently in Robert Lighthizer's book. The entire conversation in that entire book for USMCA negotiations is strictly about the national security needs of the United States government and its wishes.

I just found it completely baffling that the minister didn't understand that connection. If we're going to have to renegotiate the deal by 2026, this has really deep implications. The minister doesn't even understand that fact, or understand who may be on the other side of the negotiating table. Whether it's a Democrat or Republican, it really doesn't matter. They have kind of converged on the matter of China policy. I will say, as vice-chair of the Canada–People’s Republic of China committee, that we look at national security and trade issues that affect it.

I think it's worthy that the committee should return over the summer, meet in person and continue the good work that it has done so far.

Thank you, Chair.

5 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much.

I have a question to the committee. We have our very smart departmental staff here. Should we wait and deal with this at 5:15 so that some additional questions can be asked, or do we let the witnesses go and deal with this motion?