Evidence of meeting #112 for International Trade in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was united.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Aaron Fowler  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Trade Policy and Negotiations, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Mary-Catherine Speirs  Director General, North American Trade Policy and Negotiations Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Matthew Smith  Chief Agriculture Negotiator, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Rob Stewart  Deputy Minister, International Trade, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Canada is really proud of our contribution. When I say our contribution, I really mean the leadership of Canadian labour through the capacity and technical sort of assistance funding that Canada provided to help with the rapid response mechanism and the development of that, particularly in Mexico.

If you look at how integrated our market is and how we want to do this more, what you really want are workers who are paid fairly and well, and you want the ability for unions to do their work in Mexico. Canada has played a very important role. During the first or the second free trade commission that took place in Mexico, the USTR, the economic secretary and I visited one such centre to see it in its development. I would say that this is a hallmark of one of the successes. When we talk about competitiveness in North America, it has to include competitiveness that protects and ensures that there are high-paying jobs for workers in all three countries.

In response to your question, Canada's contribution has been a good one, and it's been a useful one. I certainly hear directly from labour leaders in the U.S. as well as in Mexico about their gratitude for the Canadian expertise. We are trusted, and we are experts in providing that expertise, which has really helped. In fact, at the last couple of free trade commissions, the U.S. brought forward labour leaders specifically to give us, all three of the countries, an update on how that part of it was working.

At the end of the day, competitiveness in North America has to include growth and investment for our businesses and well-paying jobs in our sectors in our three countries. I think there's a tremendous opportunity here in Mexico, in particular, because of the volume of workers they have, and I think that this bodes well for the North American relationship.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Minister.

We'll go on to Mr. Hallan for five minutes, please.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Thank you, Chair.

Minister, from 2001 to 2015, Canada saw a very consistent and steady inflow of investment from the U.S. to Canadian businesses and workers. Since 2015, just nine years into your government's mandate, that's fallen off a cliff. In fact, there are hundreds of billions of dollars of outflow from Canada into U.S. Why?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

Well, I think a $1.9-trillion trading relationship would contradict that.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Why is there a bigger outflow of investment from Canada, Canadian businesses and workers going to the U.S. so that the U.S. workers can get stronger paycheques than Canadians?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I would say that the inflow of incredible investments here in Canada that are creating lots of Canadian jobs, along with the co-investments and the co-collaborations between Canadian companies, innovative companies, in a whole range of sectors is exactly contrary to what you just said.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Can you give me a total of much inflow has come in in the last nine years, just a number?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

I don't have the numbers, but my officials can follow up and give them to you.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

I can tell you what the outflow was, though. It was $460 billion that left Canada. The inflow that was once there fell off a cliff, and now there's more outflow than whatever came in nine years ago. Can you square up for Canadians why that happened?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

What I can square up for Canadians is the importance of this relationship and the benefit to jobs that are growing in Canada as a direct result of this excellent trade agreement.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

You use the word “excellent”. Canada is in a productivity crisis—seven straight quarters of GDP per capita decline. GDP per capita is at the same rate as it was in 2014. Do you think your government chasing out $460 billion of investment was helpful for productivity?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

That's your contention; it's not what the numbers show.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

The number is right in front of me. There's a report that says $460 billion. You don't want to take my word for it, but the Bank of Canada said Canada's productivity is a break-glass emergency. It's a crisis right now. Do you not believe them? Are they lying?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

What I would say is that we're very proud that today, postpandemic, there are 1.3 million jobs—

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Are you proud that Canadians are getting poorer?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

No, I'm proud there are1.3 million more Canadians working postpandemic.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

However, Canadians are poorer. What's there to be proud about?

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Mary Ng Liberal Markham—Thornhill, ON

We're proud that we have the lowest unemployment rate. We're proud that the number of Canadian workers, particularly in areas like the electric vehicle supply chain, is growing. We're proud that we are leaders in places like AI. We're proud we're a strong hydrogen-developing economy that will provide that in the future into the United States as well as into other trading partners.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Jasraj Singh Hallan Conservative Calgary Forest Lawn, AB

Respectfully, Minister, you haven't answered why you're proud of Canadians being poor, but I have to move on, because I have a limited amount of time.

There's that recent NSICOP report that has said there are sitting MPs in Parliament—

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

I have a point of order, Madam Chair.

The line of questioning has nothing to do with CUSMA.

June 13th, 2024 / 4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

I have a point of order.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Drouin Liberal Glengarry—Prescott—Russell, ON

We're here to talk about CUSMA, not foreign interference.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

We have Mr. Kmiec.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tom Kmiec Conservative Calgary Shepard, AB

Madam Chair, usually a member is given the opportunity to ask the full question, to give the full context of what he's asking, before a member jumps in and doesn't cite which rule was broken, and the member was asking....

I understand that he wants to protect the minister, but he should at least let the member finish the question so he can hear how security is related to trade.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Mr. Hallan, would you continue, please?