It is very concerning because, like so much of China's malign activities here in Canada, including the ongoing foreign influence and their espionage operations, it's very hard for us to come up with solid evidence. In other words, we're never going to be able to produce a Huawei 5G that's actually been used for espionage. They're not doing it yet. With the EVs, as I think people like Dick Fadden have said, it's a potential. It's not actually there right away.
As to how we can defend ourselves at the WTO, I'm not familiar enough with these kinds of national security provisions that would allow us to evade action by the WTO that would rule in favour of China on this. China, of course, insists that it doesn't subsidize them and that they're simply a result of Chinese ingenuity, that China is able to produce a superior product at a lower price. From what I read, they are excellent, those Chinese subsidized EVs. Taxi drivers in Spain think they're the best thing going.