Yes, they are both down. The stats will tell you they're down, but I can tell you, just in terms of my understanding of the business community in this nation and speaking to many other entrepreneurs and many other successful large businesses, that the innovation dollars and the R and D dollars are going down. When the innovation does happen in Canada, we are actually selling our IP to other nations. We're not commercializing here, so yes, there's no doubt that productivity and innovation are down in our nation.
On November 25th, 2024. See this statement in context.