I'm going to throw you a curveball in your speed round. I think there are two things here. Yes, definitely we've seen American industrial policy geared to investments in shifting the carbon discussion. In our industry and in other industries that are major emitters, they're making major investments in companies that will change their path and/or processes that reduce that.
We've told both governments to be aggressive but also cautious. We have very aggressive targets in Canada and the U.S.: 50% electrification in the U.S. by 2030 and 100% by 2035 in Canada. I've been on the record many times as saying that we're not going to get there. It's not for not trying, because we're all going to try, but the conditions and infrastructure aren't in place to do it.
If we're still transitioning out of internal combustion and fossil fuel production, let's also remember that we are major players in both of those. If we're going to tell the Americans to stay away from Chinese critical minerals, then we need to give them assurance that we can help supply the energy needs they require in that transition.
