Yes, sure. That sounds good. I think it also goes back to the other ministers.
Do countries share similar SPS problems? I was just telling Émilie before we started that I was looking at the WTO database, and the country that has the most SPS and TBT measures in place in the world is the U.S. They have around 554 measures in place. This is compared to China, which has 66. Canada has 60. India has 92.
My point there is that the U.S. has the most measures, and we have in the past—and even still today—experienced NTB issues with the U.S. However, what we have in the U.S. that we don't have in the Indo-Pacific region, which we're looking at now increasingly, is all these.... Firstly, we don't have a trade agreement with countries like ASEAN, China and India, which we're currently trying to get. Secondly, we don't have the subnational engagement and presence that we have in the U.S. We don't have the association-level engagement, so this is the kind of thing that we should take insights from—at least in lessons from the U.S.
Also, this is what we observe in what Australia is doing with China to ensure this market access, despite the difficulty, in addition to having an FTA. We don't even have an FTA with China. We're just trading with them under the bigger WTO rules.