The precise number of CARM account holders is 56,000. Again, as Mr. Gallivan said, that's a breakdown of big importers and small importers. Today we're in southern Ontario talking to people who come to the border and signing up those clients.
There's been a lot of conversation about the number. When we look at total number of businesses out there, it is 160,000 to 200,000. When we look at how many people import, that's been our focus, and we're breaking down that group into whether they have a CARM account, because if they're importing, they will need a CARM account to submit payments. That's been the focus of our outreach.