Evidence of meeting #13 for International Trade in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was negotiations.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Wilshaw  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade, and Chief Trade Commissioner, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Fowler  Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Desrochers  Executive Director, Coalition for the Diversity of Cultural Expressions
Messier  French-Speaking Co-Chair, Coalition for the Diversity of Cultural Expressions
Hamelin  President and Chief Executive Officer, Innovative Medicines Canada
El-Batal  General Director, MRC de Thérèse-De Blainville

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

Welcome to meeting 13 of the Standing Committee on International Trade.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, September 18, 2025, the committee is resuming its study of Canada and the forthcoming CUSMA review.

We have with us today, from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, Sara Wilshaw, senior assistant deputy minister, international trade, and chief trade commissioner; Aaron Fowler, associate assistant deputy minister, international trade branch, and chief trade negotiator; and David Hutchison, director general, trade strategy bureau.

Thank you all very much for finding the time to see us today. It has been a little while since we've had you before the committee, so it's a perfect time, and we're very grateful to have you here.

Ms. Wilshaw, I invite you to make opening remarks for up to five minutes, please.

Sara Wilshaw Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade, and Chief Trade Commissioner, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Thank you, Madam Chair, for the opportunity to address the committee with my colleagues. I'm happy to see how we can assist with this study.

Trade in Canada has evolved over decades within a global trading system based on rules, new free trade agreements and a fairly stable geopolitical environment.

Canada's trading patterns reflect its proximity to the U.S., the world's largest economy.

That said, the recent shift in American trade policy and the new geopolitical reality have dramatically altered the landscape. The reasons for trade diversification have never been so clear.

Earlier this fall, the Prime Minister announced work towards a new trade diversification strategy and a goal of doubling Canada's non-U.S. exports over the next decade. This strategy will focus government efforts in support of diversification objectives, alongside new investments in trade-enabling infrastructure, among other things.

We know that ultimately it is Canadian businesses that will diversify and expand Canada's trade, and this can be challenging, requiring new operating models, new risks and new partnerships. We also know that Canadian businesses have what the world wants, and they have what it takes to succeed. Between 2017 and 2024, Canadian exports to overseas markets increased by over 50%, reaching $292 billion in 2024 in non-U.S. trade.

I would like to take a moment to highlight Global Affairs Canada's priorities in helping Canadian businesses to build on that track record going forward.

First, we will continue to unlock new opportunities for Canadian companies in overseas markets. The recently signed comprehensive economic partnership agreement with Indonesia exemplifies this line of effort. Canada is also working to conclude a free trade agreement with ASEAN. We are renewing negotiations with Mercosur, and at the same time, there's a new road map for Canada-India relations that will provide a pathway for expanded trade with the world's most populous country. We are also taking a pragmatic and constructive approach to working with China, which will help expand business opportunities while supporting Canada's economic security.

Second, we will seek to capitalize further on partnerships, and reap the benefits of Canada's efforts.

Canada has already signed comprehensive free trade agreements and strengthened ties with leading world economies, such as Europe and the Indo-Pacific region.

We will intensify our efforts to encourage businesses to take full advantage of these agreements and the market access they offer, and help them through this process.

With this in mind, last month's trade mission to Italy, led by the Minister of International Trade, reaffirmed Canada's interest in trading with its European partners and expanding that trade.

We will also sustain the momentum of Canada's Indo-Pacific strategy and our team Canada trade missions to the region to capitalize on the strong interest and potential to deepen Canada's commercial ties across the Pacific.

In terms of working with Canadian businesses, we recognize that close partnership between government and business will be essential to securing these new opportunities in today's international environment. The new strategic exports office proposed in budget 2025 embodies this approach. It will help mobilize whole-of-government support for high-value export pursuits in strategic sectors.

Canada's trade commissioner service will continue to play an essential role by helping Canadian businesses diversify their markets.

In 2024-25, the TCS provided nearly 60,000 services to more than 11,000 clients, facilitated $6.1 billion in new deals and helped over 1,700 SMEs expand into 113 new markets. Ensuring that the TCS continues to deliver high-impact services to businesses alongside partners like EDC, Export Development Canada, is a top priority.

Finally, we are also very focused on attracting new investment into Canada. FDI is critical to the Canadian economy and its growth plans. It connects our firms to global markets. It unlocks new sources of capital. It embeds Canadian companies in international supply chains, and it makes them more productive and more competitive. Achieving strong alignment across federal partners in attracting FDI, including the TCS, Invest in Canada, the Major Projects Office and others, is a key focus and will enable us to attract more investment from a wider range of players.

We know that trade diversification is a shared priority across the country. We look forward to working closely with various partners, including provincial and territorial governments, indigenous groups and industry. Global Affairs Canada is committed to helping businesses diversify Canadian trade and investments to support our country's resilience and prosperity.

Thank you, and we look forward to your questions.

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Ms. Wilshaw.

Mr. Mantle, go ahead, please.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, gentlemen and lady, for attending. I appreciate you being here and giving us your time.

We're coming up on one year since we went into a prorogation and then an election. Is there a deal on the table right now from the Americans?

Aaron Fowler Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

I believe this committee heard recently from Ambassador Hillman, who is Canada's chief negotiator for ongoing conversations with the United States, as well as from other senior officials at Global Affairs Canada who are engaged in those talks.

I believe you will be aware that presently no active negotiations are going on. That has been the case for a number of weeks, but we remain engaged with the United States more broadly, with a view to picking those conversations up at the appropriate time. That's where I would situate things for the moment.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Just to clarify, this committee has not heard from Ms. Hillman. She has not appeared before the committee, but I want to be clear here. The current state of the negotiations is that there are no active negotiations going on between Canada and the United States at this moment.

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

That is my understanding. I am not presently engaged in the discussions with the United States, but the President announced recently that he was pulling back from them for a period of time, and my understanding is that this continues to be the prevailing situation.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

When was the last time you or your team spoke with your U.S. counterparts?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

As I indicated, I am not part of Canada's Canada-U.S. negotiating team, so I'm not equipped to provide you with that information at this point in time. I'm sorry.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Would you be able to find out for us? I mean, you are the chief negotiator.

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I am Canada's chief negotiator. I am not, as I mentioned in my last visit here, the chief negotiator for the Canada-U.S. file, but I will certainly endeavour to follow up for the committee with that information.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Thank you for that.

When was the last time you briefed any ministers on the state of negotiations in your role as chief negotiator?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

Are you speaking about the Canada-U.S. negotiations or negotiations more broadly?

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

I mean the Canada-U.S ones.

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I don't brief ministers, because I am not part of the Canada-U.S. negotiating team.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Do you receive briefs?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I receive information from time to time, but not generally speaking. My files cover the rest of Canada's negotiating agenda.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

When was the last time you received “information” about the state of negotiations from your staff?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

It was recently, I suppose.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Is recently a week ago, a month ago?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

“Information” could be a lot of things.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

It's your word, not mine.

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

Within the last week, I've probably received some sort of information on the state of those conversations, which I think is reflected in the answers I've given you thus far.

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Conservative

Jacob Mantle Conservative York—Durham, ON

Would you be willing to share that with the committee?

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Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, International Trade Branch, and Chief Trade Negotiator, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

Aaron Fowler

I just did.