Evidence of meeting #18 for International Trade in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was forced.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Mélanie Joly  Minister of Industry
Bandali  Partner and Head, International Trade and Investment Practice, As an Individual
Pike  Partner, As an Individual
Stephenson  Counsel, As an Individual

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

I'm calling the meeting to order.

This is meeting number 18 of the Standing Committee on International Trade. Today we have the minister with us for the first hour, and for the second hour, we will continue our study on forced labour.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, September 18, 2025, the committee is resuming its study of Canada and the forthcoming CUSMA review.

We have with us today the Honourable Mélanie Joly, Minister of Industry. From the Department of Industry, we have Francis Bilodeau, associate deputy minister, and Kendal Hembroff, associate assistant deputy minister of the industry sector.

Thank you all very much. We appreciate your being here.

Minister, you have five minutes or so for your opening remarks, and then we will go on to our usual questions, which will be five minutes tight for all of us. So that all of the members can make sure that they get their questions in, can we have limited answers too? Otherwise, you eat up all of the members' time, as you know. You remember those days when you were on the other side.

Thank you very much for being here. I'll turn the time over to you.

3:35 p.m.

Ahuntsic-Cartierville Québec

Liberal

Mélanie Joly LiberalMinister of Industry

Thank you, Judy.

Madam Chair and honourable members, it's a pleasure to be here.

Thank you for being here.

Canada enters this CUSMA review at a time of profound global change. We're living in a much more complicated, complex and dangerous world. The security environment of the world has deteriorated over the last few years, with wars and increased economic tensions, including the current trade war with the United States. This will continue to be our government's reality.

We know that there are things that we have no control over, but that there are many others that we do have control over.

Our government is focusing on what we can control. Here's the plan: First, we'll protect jobs. Second, we'll create jobs. Third, we'll attract talent and investment.

Our plan is working. We're seeing 2.6% growth, tracking to be the highest in the G7. Inflation has come down to 2.2%. Wages are up 3.5% year over year. In September alone, we created 60,000 jobs. In October, we created 67,000 jobs.

These results show that our plan is delivering real benefits for our economy and for Canadians. The Canadian economy is resilient, but we keep working tirelessly for our people.

Let's start with the first pillar of our plan: to protect jobs and protect industries. We're working in a reality in which we have certain sectors that are the target of the American tariffs. Of course, we're talking about steel, aluminum, auto and lumber, industries that are vital to our economic strength and to our communities across the country.

Here's what we're going to do for all of these sectors. In the short term, we'll protect our market, and we'll offer liquidity to companies. We'll make sure that we support industries, as well as the businesses and the workers in these sectors. We're doing this by tightening the tariff rate quotas on steel imports to 75% of the 2024 levels, a decisive step to protect our market in the short term and to ensure that the steel sector is protected.

In the medium term, we need to make sure that industries can adapt and pivot. They need to be able to seek out new markets, and they need to be able to develop new products.

We support our industries through a new $5-billion strategic response fund and with the help of our regional economic development agencies, including Canada Economic Development for Quebec. In the long term, we need to work tirelessly toward building a strong domestic market. Our government is doing so through its defence spending, buy Canadian policies, housing strategy and major national projects.

Meanwhile, let me focus on Stellantis. When I talk about Stellantis, I mean the Dodge Caravan, the Jeep Grand Cherokee, the Jeep Compass, the Jeep Wrangler and the Chrysler Pacifica. I was clear at my committee appearance at INDU that Stellantis is on the hook.

Within a day of Stellantis's announcements on October 15, I sent a letter to Antonio Filosa, the global CEO of Stellantis, stating that the company's actions were unacceptable and that we expected them to honour their legally binding commitments to the Government of Canada.

On October 20, I summoned Jeff Hines, the then CEO of Stellantis Canada, for a meeting in Ottawa, joined by Vic Fedeli, Ontario's Minister of Economic Development, and Lana Payne, national president of Unifor.

On October 23, together with the Minister of Finance, I announced a 50% reduction in Stellantis' annual remission quota. This means Stellantis has 50% less of a market for its cars without tariffs in our country.

On October 30, I went to Brampton to meet with the strong men and women who have built the backbone of Canada's auto industry to let them know we'll always fight for them.

On November 3, I triggered the formal dispute resolution process under the contracts.

Today, on December 4, I'm formally announcing that we're serving Stellantis with a notice of default under the contracts.

When it comes to protecting auto jobs, we will not let these industries down. We will stand firm for the sake of our workers, our industries and our nation because defending these jobs means defending Canada's economic backbone and the livelihoods of countless families.

I've talked to you about the first pillar, which is protecting jobs. Let me talk to you about the second pillar, which is to create jobs—and of course, beyond this, to create industries.

In every single crisis, there's an opportunity, and we need to act with audacity, purpose and determination. While we know some things are beyond our control, creating jobs is really what we can do.

Right now, we're investing in defence through a defence industrial strategy. We're also investing in major projects across the country. Meanwhile, we will continue to make sure that we can support our demand for steel, for aluminum and for lumber. We can do that through, obviously, the buy Canadian policies and the housing policy we've put forward.

Finally, our third part of the plan is to attract.

The third pillar of our plan is to attract investments and talents, and we've already started to bring talents in. The budget includes $1.7 billion to bring in 1,000 new talents, 1,000 new researchers in Canada. We are also working to attract investments. That's why I was able to go all across Europe and Asia to bring in new investments and to protect industries impacted by tariffs.

I look forward to answering your questions. Of course, I've already had the chance to have many discussions at the INDU committee and in the House of Commons, and I look forward to having a conversation.

Thank you so much.

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Minister.

I'll pass it on to Mr. Chambers for six minutes.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Minister, welcome to committee. Thank you for joining us this afternoon.

You mentioned Stellantis, so I might as well start there, with the auto sector. Were you concerned when you saw the testimony last week from your officials indicating that no one person read the contract front to back before it was signed?

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

First and foremost, we have to put things in context.

If you look at what was discussed and what my deputy minister said at the time, it was that he was not involved in the redaction of the contract—nor was I, of course, because we were not in our positions at the time.

As you know, the contract was signed some years ago, and you were not in your position either.

Clearly we have both, since then, read the contract, and I can answer any questions about it.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Wonderful.

When did you read the contract?

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

When the issue—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Was it last week? Was it two years ago?

Obviously it wasn't two years ago because you weren't there—

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

That's it.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

—but when did you read it?

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

When the issue of Stellantis became really important, which was around October 15—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

You read it—

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

I read the contract because we got a 24-hour heads-up from the global CEO saying that they were moving the Jeep Compass model to the U.S.

We thought this was completely unacceptable, so we got to it and found out, very quickly, how to make sure Stellantis was on the hook.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

The testimony last week was this: During the contract negotiations, no single person had a view on the contract, cover to cover.

Does this concern you?

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

To be frank, it doesn't, because—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Well, this was the testimony that—

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

No, you can't negotiate a contract without reading it. That doesn't make sense. Just listen to what you're saying.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

I don't know. The deputy minister said that the individuals involved would not have had full view of the contract. This was the testimony.

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

There were many contracts involved.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Okay.

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

Not only are these available right now, Adam, but they were also available two years ago. The opposition—basically, the Conservative Party—had access to them. You guys also read the contracts—

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

Well, no, that's not true. I think they're just getting them—

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

—so there's nothing new here.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Adam Chambers Conservative Simcoe North, ON

That's fine.

Now that you've read the contract, are you satisfied with the jobs guarantee in it? Is it anything less than 100% of Stellantis's footprint in the contract as signed?

Mélanie Joly Liberal Ahuntsic-Cartierville, QC

Do you know what my reaction was when we got the news from Stellantis? My reaction was, “We can't open the floodgate to automakers leaving our country.” That was my reaction.

My reaction was also to make sure that everybody around this table is one team Canada, because we're all fighting for the 125,000 jobs in the auto sector. I was in fighting mode, and I was finding out how we could make sure Stellantis is on the hook.