Evidence of meeting #31 for International Trade in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was quebec.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Pohlmann  Executive Vice-President, Advocacy, Canadian Federation of Independent Business
White  President and Chief Executive Officer, Manufacturiers et Exportateurs du Québec
Bellisle  President and Chief Executive Officer, QSL International Ltd.
Dominic LeBlanc  Minister responsible for Canada-U.S. Trade, Intergovernmental Affairs and One Canadian Economy
Ritchot  Assistant Deputy Minister, Intergovernmental Affairs, Multilateral Relations and Internal Trade, Privy Council Office

11:55 a.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, QSL International Ltd.

Robert Bellisle

We could do a mix of two things. The approval process, especially for infrastructure projects, is very long. If we mapped the approved projects, we could do some twinning, kind of like what's done in the industrial sector. For example, we could set one project aside and ask ourselves if the new proposed project meets the same requirements as the other one.

Using artificial intelligence, we could then speed up the project approval process. Every province could do it the same way. That would be a huge leap forward in terms of improving systems and reacting to what's happening in the markets.

Noon

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

How much time do I have left?

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

You have 30 seconds.

Noon

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Have you looked at how other federations operate, such as those in Germany, for example?

Can you give us some examples of countries where internal trade works very well?

Noon

Executive Vice-President, Advocacy, Canadian Federation of Independent Business

Noon

Liberal

Linda Lapointe Liberal Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, QC

Thank you.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

To our witnesses, thank you very much. Every time you are with us, especially Ms. Pohlmann, it's very informative. We appreciate that.

We will suspend for a moment while our next witnesses come to the table.

Noon

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

I call the meeting back to order.

We have with us today the honourable Dominic LeBlanc, Minister responsible for Canada-U.S. Trade, Intergovernmental Affairs and One Canadian Economy.

That's a small order you have.

From the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, we have Martin Moen, associate assistant deputy minister of trade policy and negotiations. From the Privy Council Office, we have Jeannine Ritchot, assistant deputy minister of intergovernmental affairs, multilateral relations and internal trade.

Welcome to all of you. We very much appreciate your being here today. We will start with opening remarks and then proceed to rounds of questions.

Minister, I invite you to speak to the committee for up to five minutes. There will be ample time for questions from the committee following that. I'll turn the floor over to you, sir.

Noon

Beauséjour New Brunswick

Liberal

Dominic LeBlanc LiberalMinister responsible for Canada-U.S. Trade

Madam Chair, thank you.

Colleagues, thank you for inviting me, and thank you for welcoming my colleagues from the international trade department and the Privy Council Office.

Madam Chair, through you, thank you to committee members for the important work they're doing on internal trade and free trade within Canada. We think of trade as being outside our borders. We've learned in recent months and years that there's a huge opportunity within Canada. As you know, 520 billion dollars' worth of goods and services move across provincial and territorial borders each year. This is significant, but even more economic activity could be generated if trade within Canada were more open and efficient. The benefits would accrue to actors across the entire supply chain and the Canadian economy, from the manufacturer to the retailer, to ultimately, of course, benefit all Canadians.

Building one Canadian economy is one of the key missions the Prime Minister has established for our government because it's one of the key elements we control to help create jobs and grow businesses and, of course, make life more affordable for Canadians. We've all taken decisive action on this by removing federal barriers to internal trade.

The Free Trade and Labour Mobility in Canada Act, which Parliament adopted last June, makes it easier for Canadians to work and do business across Canada. Through this act, as colleagues know well, we removed red tape by recognizing provincial requirements for the sale of goods or the provision of services across the country when they overlap with federal rules, allowing workers licensed or certified by a province or territory to work in a comparable occupation in the federal jurisdiction without needing to be recertified. We also removed all the remaining federal exemptions in the Canadian Free Trade Agreement, which, coupled with the legislation I mentioned, means that federal barriers to internal trade are gone.

The work ahead now rests with provinces and territories, our partners in the federation. We are working in concert with them—it's a shared objective among first ministers across the country—to ensure that we get true free trade within Canada.

In November 2025, for example, I was at a meeting in the Northwest Territories. We signed the Canadian Mutual Recognition Agreement on the Sale of Goods making it easier for businesses to sell their products across the country by ensuring that if one jurisdiction deems a good safe for consumption, it's deemed approved in other provincial and territorial jurisdictions across the country.

All governments also agreed to a new memorandum of understanding on interprovincial trucking to improve the efficient movement of goods across the country, including measures such as common standards for signs, flags and lights to reduce necessary border stoppages.

As well, as colleagues know, we negotiated a new chapter, the financial services chapter, in the Canadian Free Trade Agreement, which provides greater transparency and predictability to firms across the country.

On an individual basis, many jurisdictions have shown very considerable leadership on their own. The Government of Ontario, for example, was the first jurisdiction in Canada to follow our lead in removing its exemptions to the Canadian Free Trade Agreement.

Even with these accomplishments, though, we think, collectively, that we can do much more work.

Mr. Carney met with his provincial and territorial counterparts in January. At that meeting, the Prime Minister of Canada and his counterparts were very clear about how we must have a shared ambition with respect to internal trade.

I've since met with my fellow ministers responsible for internal trade, and we agreed on a clear road map a few weeks ago. We agreed to harmonize building codes and prefabricated housing approvals by 2026 and to advance digital credential recognition by 2027. We also agreed to extend mutual recognition to the service sector before the end of the year and—I hope we can discuss this—to launch a network of internal trade commissioners to increase interprovincial trade in things such as food and alcohol.

In closing, we are working with our provincial and territorial colleagues to come up with concrete collaborative solutions to eliminate any remaining barriers. As I told you, all premiers of all governments across Canada, no matter their party, wants to build one Canadian economy.

Thank you, colleagues, for the work you're doing on this issue. I look forward to the conversation over the next number of minutes.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much.

We will move on to our members.

Mr. Lawrence, you have six minutes, please.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you for being here, Minister. As one of your critics, I thought we might spend a little more time together, but I know you've been very busy.

By the way, do we have a deal in CUSMA yet?

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

I'm happy to discuss that.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

I'm just having a little fun here.

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

I've taken note of how much you miss me and how you want to spend more time with me. I'm very touched by that, Mr. Lawrence. Thank you.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

We spent a lot of time together during Bill C-5 and, I might say, with your excellent staff as well.

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

We did. I see you early in the morning for breakfast.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

You do, actually. I won't go any further on that.

In all seriousness—

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

In the dining room of the hotel.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

Absolutely, yes. Let's clarify that.

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

There might be confusion there.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

With respect to interprovincial trade barriers, Minister, we can all agree about the seriousness and the benefit for Canada. Whether it's according to the IMF or Trevor Tombe, the numbers are in the hundreds of billions of dollars that can be created by eliminating these interprovincial trade barriers.

I would agree with you insofar as saying there's been a lot of paper that has been signed, but results matter at the end of the day. The $200-billion number was often thrown around, including in your own party platform where you said, “We will reduce internal trade costs by up to 15% and expand our economy by up to $200 billion, that is up to $5,000 for every Canadian.”

How much of that has been realized so far?

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

Madam Chair, through you to Mr. Lawrence, that is a critical question. Thank you for asking it.

You're right. We've taken note. We've talked about this in the House of Commons, and many of us have talked informally about the potential upside economic benefit. In a federation like ours, obviously, we do our part and work with our provincial and territorial counterparts. There is still more work to be done.

To be honest, a great number of the barriers that are visible to Canadians, to Canadian small businesses and to Canadian companies seeking to enlarge their markets are, in fact, under provincial jurisdiction. If you look at where the federal government has authority, we all know the sectors of the economy. They haven't traditionally been where we see the barriers that provide that headwind.

Maybe my colleague Jeannine has a specific number in terms of what we think the GDP growth of the country has been in terms of the result of removing the federal barriers. If we don't have that precise number, I'm happy to ask our colleagues at the Department of Finance to try to quantify that and get back to the committee, Madam Chair, through you.

12:10 p.m.

Conservative

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

Do you have that? If you don't, that's fine. I appreciate the undertaking to provide it.

Dominic LeBlanc Liberal Beauséjour, NB

I'm happy to get the best estimate we can from the Department of Finance and our colleagues, because it's a very good question.

Philip Lawrence Conservative Northumberland—Clarke, ON

If you can get an accurate number and get it back to me, that would be amazing. That's terrific.

You talked about two things on the idea of it being a provincial issue. I agree that they have to be good partners with the federal government.

One thing is that the Prime Minister, during the campaign, didn't state that important fact. In fact, he promised free trade in Canada by Canada Day—that he was able to deliver that. Now you're coming to committee and saying that, no, that's actually impossible. To me, that's a promise broken.

Would you not agree with me on that, Minister?