I'm sorry but I'm going to interrupt, Senator Kutcher, on the same point that I interrupted Mr. Cooper about, and it's a point of order. I think it's a legitimate one. You can disagree with me if you so choose. We are treading into a territory where we're discussing things and we're carrying on conversations about things that took place in a setting that was in camera. We can't carry on the same conversation in public that we had in camera, and that's what we're trying to do. I think if we go in camera we can resolve all of these issues very quickly and agree on them frankly. We have to err on the side of caution, Senator Kutcher. We're being forced into this discussion, and we don't want to be, and I think it's unnecessary.
