Engagement and discussion. General Renuart, in his role as commander of NORAD and supported and blessed by both nations, has tried to engage with his counterparts to do just that, to increase, to take activities and actions to increase the transparency and promote transparency.
It's in the best interests of everybody, not only the two countries but anybody operating in the Arctic over the international waters. And the commercial traffic is increasing. So it's an issue to me of safety of flight, and the need is only going to increase because the traffic is increasing.
So to me it's fairly simple. If you claim to be transparent and you want to be transparent, you take the appropriate actions to be so. So we need to engage them and continue to engage them. We had some success. The commander of NORAD had some success a few years ago, and then it seemed everything was stalled.