Sir, I suppose the difficulty of understanding the true value of the Arctic and offshore patrol ships as a capability is the intent as to when we will need to exercise presence. When the need for sovereignty, presence, will be greatest is when activity rates go up. The activity rates in the Arctic are going up because we're seeing a reduction in the size of the ice.
It doesn't mean there isn't a requirement for icebreakers, but what I'm able to talk about is what capability we can bring by the projects we have online. There is an immensely significant change in our capability to operate in the Arctic as the Canadian Forces with the coming online of that capability. It will be capable of operating in first-year ice with some multi-year ice intrusions, and that's a fundamentally significant change for us. The requirement for icebreaking—