Yes, and we certainly found that when we were out visiting bases. That is why we made the recommendation strongly again in this report that there needs to be some high-level direction and leadership.
After the first report, there were CANFORGENs and other policy documents issued that said this is an important issue and it's a lack of leadership if we don't deal with this. But we're not necessarily sure from what we found when we were doing our investigation that those words have made it down to action, because when we spoke to people, there were still some problems with stigmatization. That's why, in our opinion after our investigation, we determined that it was still necessary to have someone at a level reporting to the CDS just to show that it is a very important issue and taken seriously.