I can't afford to be biased; it's not defensible. Industry Canada, Public Works, Treasury Board--they play a pretty aggressive challenge function. They have their own particular mandate and responsibilities and they take those seriously. But the requirement needs to be stated by those people who have to go live and die with that. At the end of the day, that's their call. The Chief of Defence Staff gets a say in that; the minister gets a say in that, obviously.
My experience with the industry is that they work hard, most of them are very honourable, very ethical, but they also believe in what they have and they want to tell you it's the best. I can't speak to their simulations, because their simulations always show that their equipment wins. But they're all winning, so somebody has to be losing. I don't know who that is, but....