Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I certainly think some of us on this side of the table are sympathetic to Jack's amendment and to what he's trying to achieve. We have a sense, I think, that perhaps the net is cast a little bit wide in the sense that we're removing the possibility of a criminal record from offences such as those Laurie enumerated that clearly jar us as deserving of a record.
But the reverse is also true. Perhaps in the JAG's efforts in drafting this legislation, they didn't restrict it enough, and it's only when people sit down with a list of the offences that we'll all know where it might be appropriate in the context to have a record trigger and where it jars us. Somebody throwing a cigarette in a garbage can and not disposing of it according to Queen's Order 46 in some regulation ashtray probably shouldn't trigger a criminal record.
Somebody has to look at those lists and figure it out. If we can stand this down and Laurie, Jack, the officials, Colonel Gleeson, and others can perhaps come up with a balance that is better, then I think we could move on quickly to adopt the rest of the bill.