In terms of other countries, we often look at the Netherlands and Australia as being most comparable to Canada in terms of size and how we do things. We have a very close relationship with the national directors who run their organizations.
It's difficult to compare us to the United States, which has massive programs. They are prepared to develop new technology. My counterpart there spends over $60 billion annually on developing new technology. They're prepared to go out and spend $5 billion to develop a new armoured fighting vehicle. We will buy a very small number, and we'll buy them off the shelf.
The British have had some challenges, largely in their cost estimation. We are quite conservative, and we normally allocate significant contingencies to avoid those cost overruns. We rarely have cost overruns.
People quote the joint support ship to me, but we did not sign a contract with inappropriate costs for joint support ships.
That leaves me with the Australians, who have implemented some really significant reforms in the way they do defence procurement. Nevertheless, they aren't much faster, if at all. They've had some extremely difficult programs that have been very late and over budget.