A lot of the members, I would say 80% of them right now, are products of the nineties. What I mean by that is that when the Department of National Defence was gutted, if I can use that word, in the nineties, they were part of that. They saw how much it hurt the capability of the armed forces. They've taken pride in ownership and they want to be accountable to ensure that this never happens again.
So when there is wasteful spending that they identify—and we've been working on this proactively—they want to bring attention to it and make a difference on this wasteful spending. We've been at it with our business cases.
There was one recently where a member—I think it was very well publicized—a bus driver, said he was told at four o'clock by his employer to park the brand-new $200,000 bus in the yard. They didn't have any money to pay him overtime, yet troops still had to picked up in Trenton, or here in Ottawa, or brought to Trenton so they could be deployed. They ran out of money to pay him overtime, so they hired a local bus company to the tune of $800 for four hours' work. My members don't make $800 for four hours work. So they challenged it with a business case, which was proven, and they found the resources to start paying that extra money to deploy the troops.
That's the professional, academic side of it, for people to have skills.