But an action has a reaction. The reaction in this case was no exit strategy for the dictator who we were trying to convince to stop doing what he was doing. It took continued kinetic activities and non-kinetic activities to make him stop what he was doing.
The point is, how do we create an environment? I remember saying in the early days that our job was to create an environment where we could have dialogue and diplomacy take over, because that's the part that saves a lot of lives. That belongs in the political realm of the North Atlantic Council and the participating nations.
In my opinion, though, at the end of the day, it's about justice taking place and justice being seen to take place, but justice also taking place at the right time, with the prioritization of stopping violence against civilians—stopping people from dying—and then we'll sort out the legitimacy and then the judiciary thereafter. We could spend many hours and many beers on this one.