One of the examples of the policy work, which Mr. McKay brought up, was the work we did comparing the new Veterans Charter and the Pension Act. It was taken into consideration, certainly in some of the amendments made to the new Veterans Charter. That kind of policy work absolutely was done at arm's length from the government.
Some of the program and policy work is a little bit smaller scale. There are some tremendous programs out there. But if they're implemented, it's really critical to build in an evaluation piece so that you can know if the program is doing what you said it's going to do and how that translates into policy. If this is an effective program, and it's having the impacts you want it to have, then you keep it as a program and you fund it. It's not all big P policy change; it's really critical health policy change that we look at.