If I may, before going there, I'll go back to some of the questions.
I just remembered the last statistics I saw. From 2009 until 2012 there were 111 claims through Treasury Board about home equity assistance which is for people who have lost more than $15,000 on their home, with $15,000 being the maximum they will get.
I would agree that it seems we are turning in circles. The grievance system is not a military justice system. It's a system to help people to get better quality of life, to look after the well-being of the people. This is a leadership responsibility.
When people do not get fully compensated for a situation in which they've been wronged, the system tells them that they can sue the government. We know that court has decided in the past that you cannot sue, because there is no employment contract between the crown and the service member. At the end of the day even if you go to the ex gratia there is a condition attached to it, to fill a gap, and you will not get redress.
Turning to home equity assistance, Treasury Board has said that if there's a depressed market, you will be fully reimbursed on the loss of your house, but at this stage within Canada there has been no declaration of a depressed market. If there is no depressed market, all you will get is 80% of your loss to a maximum of $15,000. This is what some of those numbers are: 111 of them have lost more than $15,000 and some have lost probably $75,000, but because this is home equity assistance and is a policy established by Treasury Board, I would argue that the condition that you cannot fill the gap and give it back will apply.
Having said all this, I'm not a lawyer, but looking at what a chief justice of the Supreme Court and another chief justice mentioned, I believe that giving the Chief of the Defence Staff authority within the National Defence Act should solve this issue. Then once and for all we'll know who the final authority on redress of grievances is.