Thank you, Chair.
Perhaps I need to explain to Mr. Alexander how it is relevant because we're talking about whether or not we should add section 113 to the amendment proposed by the government. Consideration of that has to do with whether or not the circumstances of a person convicted of section 113 are such that they ought to be included. We've got the scheme suggested—I don't mean scheme in a negative way, but a scheme of understanding—suggested by Colonel Gibson that you look at the objective gravity of the offence as determined by Parliament, and it's the maximum sentence, and then you look at what he calls the subjective gravity of the offence, based on what the sentence is.
Well, I don't think that is what we're talking about.