I won't repeat that again, but they're totally unfounded.
What we're dealing with here is trying to make the argument that when you look at section 113, when you look at the ways of committing the offence, there are more than two ways spelled out there, but it's only in the case of wilfully setting a fire—or wilfully causing a fire, let's call it—by your actions that it attracts the potential of a life imprisonment sentence. In all other cases, punishment is two years or less.
That's the category of offences that are included—that and less than that—in all of the numbers that are listed. I'm suggesting that makes it clear that whatever arguments can and have been made about the other ones ought not to apply here, because section 113 clearly recognizes that there are two categories of seriousness, one that involves wilfully committing an offence, and the other that involves any other way of committing the offence.
So it can easily be seen, I submit, that the kind of penalty we see in amendment G-2 involving a severe reprimand, reprimand and fine, or minor punishments could apply. What are we talking about here? We're talking about a situation in which there's a possible danger to property. This seems to be more interested in property, but there is the potential damage to military materiel or a defence establishment or work. That's important. Obviously, you don't want to have your buildings burnt down or your equipment damaged by fire. If someone does it because they fail to follow a regulation, if they didn't properly handle a spark suppressor and that caused a fire—some regulations say you have to do that—or is likely to cause a fire, they're going to get charged. So-and-so gets charged because they have neglected to follow a regulation. The maximum sentence is two years. The person gets a reprimand or gets a fine, or whatever—