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Evidence of meeting #52 for National Defence in the 41st Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was aircraft.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

J.J. Bennett  Chief, Reserves and Cadets, Department of National Defence
P.J. Bury  Director General, Reserves and Cadets, Department of National Defence
David W. Lowthian  Commander, 8 Wing (Trenton), Department of National Defence

RAdm J.J. Bennett

Yes, that is just in the primary reserve.

There are just over 8,000—

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

So 27,000 is the authorized complement—

RAdm J.J. Bennett

Yes.

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

—and 21,700 is the actual.

RAdm J.J. Bennett

Yes, it is our average paid strength

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Does that mean that you're 6,000 short of your complement?

RAdm J.J. Bennett

No, it means.... In the reserve, because people parade or train on a part-time basis, that number may surge at certain periods during the year. We average it out over a period of about nine months, so the average paid strength of people who are attending on a regular basis is just over 21,000.

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

But the absolute number could be—

RAdm J.J. Bennett

It is 27,100 who are enrolled.

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

And in the supplementary reserve you're talking about what?

RAdm J.J. Bennett

There are about 15,600.

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

That includes Rangers.

RAdm J.J. Bennett

No, that's the supplementary reserve. There are just over 5,000 Canadian Rangers.

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

I was asking about the supplementary reserves. The 15,600 is not the supplementary reserves.

RAdm J.J. Bennett

Yes, that's the supplementary reserves.

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

Does that include the 5,000 Rangers?

RAdm J.J. Bennett

No, the Canadian Rangers.... There are four sub-components of the reserve force: the primary reserve—

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

We have the primary complement that is 27,000, with 21,000 average paid. We have the supplementary, excluding the Rangers, at 15,600. We have the Rangers at 5,000.

RAdm J.J. Bennett

Yes, and cadet instructors—

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

And cadet instructors are what?

RAdm J.J. Bennett

—are just over 8,000.

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

That is 8,000.

You announced a year ago that there would be a reduction in the number of administrative people within the cadet instructors from 800 to 400.

RAdm J.J. Bennett

That's full-time personnel, employed year round.

Jack Harris NDP St. John's East, NL

These are not people who deliver the programs in the army across the country.

RAdm J.J. Bennett

Not generally at the corps and squadron level, no; these are people who work in headquarters or who work in support of the program.