Evidence of meeting #1 for National Defence in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Philippe Grenier-Michaud
Martin Auger  Committee Researcher
James Lee  Committee Researcher

9:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

It's an amended PROC, with an extra Liberal in round two.

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

I think it doesn't respect the principle that all of us get a chance to speak once, and I don't think it's very fair to all of you as members.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Is there any more discussion on this?

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Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Can we just get clarification on it again? I know you've just read it out, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Do you want me to go through it again?

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Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

Yes, please.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Okay.

The first round is for seven minutes, starting with Liberals, seven; Conservatives, seven; NDP, seven; Liberals, seven.

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Liberal

Mark Gerretsen Liberal Kingston and the Islands, ON

You're following what was in PROC, correct?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Yes, for round one. Then round two is a little bit different, with a third option for Liberals speaking. I'll read it.

Round two would be Liberals, five; Conservatives, five; Liberals, five; Conservatives, five; Liberals five; and NDP, three.

Then I would also recommend that we repeat this until we run out of time, meaning that when we're done with round two, we go back to the speaking order of round one until we're out of time.

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Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

What are the numbers for round three, then? Is it the same speaking order, but for three minutes?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

No, on round three we go back to....

Go ahead, James.

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Just as a suggestion, Mr. Chair, in the past, round three always depended on time, and we divided that time evenly as best we could among the three parties until we ran out of time. If there were 15 minutes left, it would be five minutes each, and if there were 12 minutes, it would be four minutes each, but we left it to the discretion of the chair to determine what the third round would be.

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Liberal

Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS

Couldn't we just leave the third round to the discretion of the chair on an ongoing basis and not have it in print?

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

It's nice to have flexibility.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Yes, I'm happy doing that if everyone else is agreeable to that.

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Liberal

Jean Rioux Liberal Saint-Jean, QC

We are talking about 56 minutes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

It's 28 and 28.

Mr. Garrison.

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NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

I'm going to make the obvious point for the grace of the electors that we're establishing the precedent of giving one member of the committee less time, and any of you could end up in that position. I think we're establishing a bad precedent for the future by having a different amount of time per party in the round.

I obviously can't carry the day, but I can't support the motion as it's written.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

As was mentioned earlier, this is still much more generous than it was last time around.

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Conservative

James Bezan Conservative Selkirk—Interlake—Eastman, MB

Your total time would be 10 minutes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Go ahead.

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NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

With respect, the third party is larger than it was the last time around—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

Hence, you're getting more time.

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NDP

Randall Garrison NDP Esquimalt—Saanich—Sooke, BC

—by 30%.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Stephen Fuhr

My point is, we're trying to be cordial and give everybody an opportunity. I think this is a great first step forward.