Thank you, Chair.
Professor Baruah, thank you very much for being with us. I only have five minutes, so I'm going to be judicious in how I ask my questions.
The first thing I wanted to do is thank you for the value that you're adding to our discussion by unpacking and dispelling assumptions and by focusing on evidence-based research and ultimately policy. I think that's equally important in the social sciences and humanities as it is in the natural sciences.
Are you making the point to the committee that we should move away from a complementarity of instrumental and rights-based approaches in the sense that we sometimes like to use instrumental approaches when it suits us, when we think it will create the momentum or the prop wash?
We also do it on gender equality with respect to the economic contributions. If we had pay equity tomorrow across the globe, I think the evidence is that it would be an economic benefit in excess of $10 trillion, so you pull men into the conversation who haven't previously been part of it. Do you advocate for that, or should we bifurcate and stick with the rights-based approach?