The answer is yes, we are too stovepiped. But even in academia, those stovepipes exist, so the research that is being conducted does limit the cross-fertilization between defence and development. Then we have those who, let's just say, hold a humanitarian world view, and they get quite upset when military defence and security structure is somehow in that humanitarian space and offering humanitarian-type activities. There is a sense of territoriality that often gets in the way and enforces those stovepipes between groups.
There's definitely a disconnect between what could be happening. This is when I talk about the tools that are emerging in the 21st century. Some of these innovative conflict mechanisms will be situation rooms that include not only development, diplomacy and defence, but also the private sector. The private sector has a huge role to play here and it's often not brought into the tent. It needs to be. That's often where the innovative thinking is occurring.