I will echo my colleague on these issues. I think you will not be surprised that sometimes when we hear about high-level training, suddenly people are opting out of it as not the most important that they're undertaking. It seems to me that leadership can say that these are mandatory.
I think empathy-based learning always has real, direct value—in the same way that having you around the table saying “It's me” does. We are apparently women, so that does something as well.