If I may, I think one of the things that needs....
Although it's not just a question of bean-counting, that is an important step. As long as we don't have a critical mass of women or visible minorities or indigenous members, it's very hard to change a culture. If I am the only female dean at RMC, it's very hard for me to sit at that table. If you were the only female member on this committee, it would be very hard for you as well.
I think that the numbers are important in order to achieve that critical mass. Once that critical mass is achieved, I think it will be a lot easier to change the culture of the organization.