The other thing I was thinking of just as we were talking is that in the business world, when a new CEO comes in, they usually put together their own team. It's not 100% their own team, but they move people into position. Then they put in incentives for them to achieve certain objectives. It's financial, but it could also be related to the number of women or visible minorities.
You both talked a lot about how leadership is crucial, and how there's no way we're going to get transformational change without the right leadership. I think you, Ms. St-Pierre, mentioned that a number of leaders, at the different levels, don't necessarily believe in it, at this point. How do we get the right leaders in place? One, is there the same capability for the head of the armed forces to put their key leaders into place? Two, do they provide incentives around the increase in the number of women in the different areas?