I'd also like to add, too, that when you're actually talking about going beyond the organizational climate to cultural change, using very traditional models we know isn't successful. Coming from my domain, I know some bits are but other bits aren't. Therefore, one of the key pieces is engaging those that do and basically using our junior leaders at the most coal face level and having them talk the talk, walk the walk, model the behaviour. As we move forward, at least in the domain I'm working with on a day-to-day basis, we're actually looking at it as one of our primary prevention tools: leadership modelling, creating that climate because it sets the conditions in order to actually start measuring what the change is going to be down the way.
