Right. It's not so much loving the military, it's loving the effect that can be achieved.
If countries don't wish to play a role in the Asia-Pacific region, one way of not being taken seriously at security dialogues or at international conferences, and also tangentially in issues related to trade, is to not have any capability that's been to the region recently. Of course, we have collectively had a problem—Canada has, that is—with respect to the modernization of Halifax class. There have not been ships to send abroad and so on.
But if I look at the grave risk of straying well beyond my area of expertise, it would be that the distance from Melbourne up to the middle of the East China Sea is about one day shorter than the distance from the East China Sea to Vancouver. So while Australia knows it's an Asia-Pacific nation, somehow Canada doesn't have that central in its mind. That Canada has an interest in what happens there is self-evident to us. So you look at what Australia is doing spending 1.9% of GDP. Why? The common phrasing is because of the neighbourhood Australia lives in. If they're 10 days away from that neighbourhood, we're 11 days away and our trade passes through it and so on.