If I may add to that, on the innovation, of course, our minister, Minister Sajjan, is extremely interested in this area, which is a key part of the defence policy review. He's challenged us to see how we can further use innovation in working, as indicated, with Innovation, Science, and Economic Development, but also in all the round tables, and to look at different models around the world, such as DARPA in the U.S., and other areas that we could bring home and do more work on, not just to innovate in the sense of what are the future threats and what's going on, but on things that we've seen in the past in the ships that could also then be leveraged for export.
On November 17th, 2016. See this statement in context.