I think it's the reform that's needed now. That's where politicians need to play a role, in actually reforming it and acknowledging that it has issues.
As Spencer and I have both said, we've had a fantastic experience with the civil service, with the guys at Public Services and Procurement Canada now, in the award of the contract and work on the contract, but I think there is still this leftover of people who are gripping to the policies of yesteryear when they are proven not to work. They're still holding strong onto that and saying, “You know, our policy was good from the beginning.”
I don't think it needs to be like that. Things do change. You have a new situation in the Canadian shipbuilding industry today, and the program needs to take account of that.