I'll give you my personal view on submarines—this is way outside of FFS, but you've asked the question—and if Canada were to embark. Twenty years ago there was a program called CASAP, the Canada-Australia submarine acquisition program. We were going to share the build in what was going to be a 20-year program.
That's possible, but as Mr. Vicefield has pointed out, the complexity of submarines is such that you need a long 30-year.... The Australians, I believe, have now closed the door because they've gone with the French solution and have decided to go it alone with the French.