Just a second, Mr. Westdal. I have only seven minutes, and I'd like to get on with all my questions, if you don't mind.
I asked you about the 13 Canadians. You made your comments, and I said that's why you've seen the Magnitsky Act come forward, because we feel that it's important that you hit the oligarchs in Russia that feel the pain, that just can't go on and plunder the resources in Russia and then travel about the world as freely as who cares. I think that applies here and has a tremendous political impact on Putin and what he does and how he does things.
Now I'm going to move to Mr. Grod.
You talked about the stage being set. There was no civil war. The stage was set. This was hybrid war. What were some of the things that Russia did that made you believe it was Russia that created the stage for hybrid war?