We need the numbers to tell us that part of the story, but it's only a small part. As human beings we have trouble approaching the stories about relationships, the narrative about our involvement in NATO, in a way that is meaningful for somebody else to understand. This is the problem we face when we're measuring not just the numbers. We have to approach it in a slightly different manner. Why I chose that perspective to share with you today is that after reading some of the transcripts of past meetings I didn't want to repeat what some of the other witnesses have shared with you. I wanted to go somewhere slightly different.
On November 20th, 2017. See this statement in context.