We started with something called the European reassurance initiative when, of course, our members, particularly in the Baltics, were genuinely frightened about what might happen next after the experience of Ukraine. Now, that's switched. It's now the European deterrence initiative. Right now, the response is to make sure that we can deter anyone from thinking that they could mount a similar type of operation against a NATO ally.
I don't say that arms control is off the table, but the first reaction is to make sure that you can deter and, if necessary, defend. That's the mode that we're in now. Regarding efforts to actually have dialogue with Russia at the NATO level, they do their best. They still have meetings at the NATO-Russia council, but it's largely monologues by people talking past each another. Nobody's saying that there's been a huge amount of progress there.
As I said, it would be great if we could achieve lower levels of armaments through arms control. However, before that, you need a degree of stability, trust, and a different environment from the one that we have now, which is more one of competition than cooperation.