Thank you to both our witnesses for being here today. We've had the privilege of having some very distinguished and experienced panels, and this is one whose expertise I really value.
I'm one of the voices that has been asking about the other end of nuclear defence, and that's nuclear reductions. I think we're in a climate where the situation has changed. With the U.S. nuclear posture review recently, which contemplates first use of nuclear weapons, we have the development and employment of tactical nuclear weapons.
My question for both of you is whether you believe that it would be possible for Canada to exercise a role in NATO that would turn NATO's attention toward its commitment to creating conditions for a world free of nuclear weapons. I understand there's a debate about ballistic missile defence, but I want to look at the other end of that. How do we get NATO moving, and can we get NATO moving, on creating those conditions? It is officially committed to this, but doesn't seem to be doing very much about it.