As a political principle, I would certainly subscribe to the one that says, “never say never.” That's because circumstances change and people say, “Oh, I said never, but that was different.” I wouldn't say never, but I wouldn't encourage that type of conversation either, because I think that the alliance has to be strong enough to maintain and work to try to support democracy and democratic institutions within it. I knew Viktor Orbán very well. He was a member of Liberal International when I was a member. Viktor Orbán then said, “Liberals aren't going to go anywhere in the world. I'm going off to the right, so you guys take heart.” He went from being a young man who was extremely liberal, democratic, and dynamic to where he is today, so politics changes.
I think we have to continue working with Hungary. I would be more worried about Turkey than.... I am very worried about what's happening—