I think, it was Talleyrand who said,
“Geography determines diplomacy.”
Geography determines diplomacy, and Turkey is in the place where it is. Turkey is adjacent to Iran. Is it any wonder that the Turks and the Iranians were doing business and doing things that the Americans didn't like? I mean, it's a next door neighbour and has very powerful relationships. It's also a neighbour to Syria and has deep problems dealing with the Kurdish issue, which has been going on in Turkey forever. I think it's worse than the Greek-Turkish Cyprus issue, which was bad enough and bedevilled relations for ages. I think it's fundamentally more serious, but I totally agree with the admiral that Turkey is in a key geographical position for NATO, that it's been a key ally for a long time, and that we should be able to work our way through those particular problems. I think the admiral's point is absolutely right. If somebody is going to go out of NATO, it's probably going to be because somebody chooses to leave rather than is pushed by the others. It wouldn't make sense to be pushed, but there might be conditions in Turkey where you might see that, and I would say, then, that it behooves us to work to try to keep Turkey in the family because of its importance.