I'm not the expert on this, but I think it's quite clear that anything that happens under PESCO will benefit NATO. What it fundamentally will do is produce what we'll call a European “pillar” of capability that will of course be available to NATO, because the nations who own it are members of NATO, and they will allocate it to NATO as required. It's complementary, and absolutely not in competition. I think that's very important to understand.
Going back to the earlier question, there is dialogue at all levels between the EU and NATO in the defence environment. Much of it is informal. There is little formal dialogue, which makes it all a bit difficult to manage. When the EU, the EDA, or a commission does something, NATO is aware, and the two organizations do make sure that they are not spending their money twice, if you see what I mean. There's only one set of dollars to be spent on all of this. PESCO is complementary to NATO.