Evidence of meeting #11 for National Defence in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was illness.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Geneviève Bernatchez  Judge Advocate General, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence
Rakesh Jetly  Senior Psychiatrist, Directorate of Mental Health, Canadian Forces Health Services Group, Department of National Defence
Kyndra Rotunda  Professor, Military and International Law, Chapman University, As an Individual
Jill Wry  Deputy Judge Advocate General, Military Justice, Canadian Armed Forces, Department of National Defence

2:50 p.m.

Col Rakesh Jetly

We have not gone that route, and it's something that I have fought against. I know that our U.S. colleagues had that at some point. I was fortunate to treat a Vietnam vet years ago. I think the fog of war happens. In fact, in one of my slides that I use in my lectures, I show somebody seeing a child die in their arms, but then we see everybody else going on with their business. That would be the person for whom, five years later, somebody would say, “I was there and I didn't see that happen.”

We haven't gone that route. I think we certainly could easily verify somebody being in a mission. We could verify somebody being there. There is a consistency in their presentation. Can we sit and always identify whether there was a jeep accident on that date during the war? We can't. As far as I know, we haven't done that, and Veterans Affairs is diagnosis-based, not incident-based.

For Sacrifice Medals and certain types of things, we do look for more facts regarding the event itself, as to whether it was hostile enemy action. That's more of a bureaucratic awarding of medals, but it's not a care issue.

2:50 p.m.

Liberal

Sven Spengemann Liberal Mississauga—Lakeshore, ON

Thank you, sir. That was extremely helpful.

2:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Karen McCrimmon

Yes. It was very good. That brings our questions session to an end.

I would like to tell the witnesses how grateful we are for the time that you took. You stuck with us and persevered through our first meeting and joined us again today. Some of the information that you shared with us today is absolutely fundamental to our study. I learned a great deal, and I think the other members of the committee did too. We really appreciate it.

Thank you to the committee. I appreciate your interest in this topic and how important it is to our men and women in uniform, who serve us so well every day.

To both the members of the committee and our witnesses, I wish you all a very happy holiday season, whether you celebrate Christmas or Hanukkah. We are all going to need that this year. It's some light at the end of 2020, which has certainly been a challenge. I appreciate all of your work.

With that, we are adjourned.