We're not sure exactly of the number of times. I do know that I had a number of conversations with my chief of staff, making sure to inquire if there was any progress on the allegations and if the former ombudsman had provided the necessary information.
But the most important thing here is making sure that we actually had independence on the investigation. Our purpose was to inform the Privy Council Office so that an independent investigation could occur, and that's exactly what has taken place. She informed—