I remember having a conversation with Jody in the context of this overall performance review about turnover, about the ripple effects of Admiral Norman being in front of criminal charges, and about whether General Vance was a contender for the NATO job and what did she think about that. It was part of a swirl of issues around the state of the military.
I had a level of concern about what was going on in the military, but I was leaving it to the deputy, the minister and the chief of the defence staff at that point. I did not get deeply involved in it at the time.