Thank you, Mr. Wernick.
You've been at helm of change management in the civil service at the highest level in our country. I'm really grateful for the testimony you gave with respect to comparative experiences, including on the Wigston report and other jurisdictions. It's fair to assume that if it's a problem here, it's a problem elsewhere.
In your assessment of those initiatives, is there a country at the moment that has gotten this right and overcome a negative culture and made the changes you were alluding to in a more permanent sense? Are most countries still at the investigative reporting phase and grappling with the issue?