Thank you, Madam Chair.
What has amazed me since the beginning of this study is that every time we hear from a witness, they tell us it's not their fault. They tell us that the reason they didn't go further is because they couldn't go further.
I can't tell you, Ms. Telford, how many times we've heard that, whether it's from you or from Mr. Marques or Ms. Sherman or Mr. Wernick or Mr. Sajjan. It's like this is a systemic problem. No one would have been able to fix it or get to the bottom of it. At least, that's what we understand from the version of events that your government is giving us.
What I can't figure out is why Mr. Sajjan refused to see the information that the ombudsman wanted to present to him. If he had agreed to see the information, he would have had all the evidence he needed to fire Mr. Vance. It would have been settled, and we wouldn't even be talking about it today.
Don't you think that's where the problem comes from, finally?
Do you still have confidence in Mr. Sajjan as Minister of Defence?