Thank you, Mr. Chair.
What I was trying to get to at the end of my last round, ultimately, was the fact that there has been a great deal of money spent on outsourcing. Not as much is being spent within the department on public services and public servants. We're talking about signing off on $10.5 billion in terms of these contractors and so on.
There have been countless examples of P3 failures in the Department of National Defence. We have the CSE building fiasco and the Montreal supply depot. Now the defence policy update and budget 2024.... There is, again, billions of dollars for major P3s to provide military housing, for example.
What do you have in terms of evidence that these will be far more cost-effective and successful, considering that we have seen so many examples where that is not the case?